Transcript: 3 Mindset Pitfalls Entrepreneurs Face and How to Push Beyond Them: Interview (with Marie Forleo)

February 6, 2014

AMY PORTERFIELD: Hey there! Amy Porterfield here and welcome to another edition of the Online Marketing Made Easy Podcast. I’m so honored that you’re here. Thanks for taking the time to take a listen. So before we jump in today’s episode, I wanted to share with you some insight I’ve recently discovered about myself. Now at some level, I think I’ve always known this, what I’m going to share with you but only recently have I really owned it and started to actively be aware of it. And I’m sharing this with you today because maybe you can relate. 

So here’s what I’ve discovered. At times, my mind can be a pretty scary place to live because in my mind, I have the habit of creating my own stories around the experiences that come my way. So when I’m in my head, these stories are completely real and completely true. But really, they’re just my perceptions around a certain incident that might have happened. Is this making any sense? 

So for example, in my early years, I would promote something and it wouldn’t do as well as I thought it should. So I would automatically attach a story and think, “OK. I’m just not as good as my peers. I don’t have what it takes to do this or I should have never left Tony Robbins. This is totally over my head. I’m just not going to be able to figure it out.” And these were big stories I would create in my head and they would really just crush my confidence. So I really battled with this in my early years. 

So because I’m now more aware of these stories that I create that aren’t necessarily true, these days, I tried to spend as much time as possible in the present moment where life is actually happening because we all know in the moment,  things  are actually real. In my head, I think they’re real but as I mentioned, these are just more perceptions or stories that I’ve made up. 

So my goal is to live in the present moment as much as possible. Easier said than done I know but it’s something I work on daily. So for me, this has been a really big lesson to learn because it has allowed me to quiet those fears and those doubts and worries that pop up as I’m building my business. So I really needed a way to deal with them and this living in the present moment has helped me. 

So I tell you all of this because I think all of us have those moments that our stories turned into realities for us. Again, it’s just part of being human. So to help you with some of those fears and doubts that might creep up for you from time  to  time especially as you’re building your business, for this episode, I’ve invited my mentor and someone I’m honored to call a friend, Marie Forleo back to the show. She’s my very first repeat guest. 

So last time Marie was on the show, we talked all about her entrepreneurial journey and how she has built her business. But in this episode, we’re going to get even more specific and explore some of those mindset pitfalls all of us face at some time in our journey again, as we build our business. 

Now, I specifically asked Marie to come back on the show today to explore these mindset pitfalls because not only is Marie a marketing pro but she also has a really great way of pulling you out of your head and into the present moment where things tend to look very different than they do in our minds. 

Since the day I left Tony Robbins and started my own business, Marie has not only taught me extremely valuable marketing lessons that I actually use to build the foundation of my business but she also taught me some invaluable mindset shifts that made a huge difference in my business confidence. 

And let’s face it. All of us are building a business because we want to feel a certain way, more freedom, excited about what we’re doing, feel that passion in us, and when you don’t have the confidence to move forward, well, that could just crush everything that you’ve been working on. 

Now, Marie’s style is raw, real, is genuine, and she tells you what you need to hear not necessarily what you want to hear. Although this is hard for me at times, I truly appreciate that kind of honesty. Now for those of you who don’t yet know Marie, you can hear all about her journey to success in my first interview with her as I mentioned and you can find that at, just the number 03. 

Now, Marie’s mission is to help you create a business and life you love. She’s the founder of one of the best training programs I have ever experienced called B-School as well as a bestselling author and the creator of the award-winning web show, 

Now as always, we have a lot to cover and you’re going to love what Marie has to say about these mindset pitfalls most entrepreneurs face and how to move beyond them. So let’s go ahead and jump in. 

So Marie, thank you so much for being here. You are my first return guest and I’m so happy that you’ve decided to jump on the show. Thanks again. 

Marie: Oh my god, it’s my honor to be here again. Two times, baby. 

Amy: I know. And we have good stuff to cover today because as everyone knows, we’re going to be talking about these three mindset pitfalls that entrepreneurs tend to face when they’re getting started or they’re building out their business. Now before we get into these pitfalls, tell me a little bit why you think  that  these  three  that  we’ve identified are so very important? 

Marie: Well, I think they’re important because when you’re first starting out your business or your artistic endeavor or whatever it is that you’re trying to get off the ground, your project, the thing that you believe in, these are three pitfalls that can literally take you out of the game and prevent you from getting traction right from the beginning. It’s when you’re most vulnerable and these are really the three big, huge areas that people can stumble. 

Now on the flipside, once you started making some progress and you have some success and you’re trying to reach that next level so to speak, these are the thing that can also trip you up. But it’s usually – it’s like you’re playing a video game at a new level. 

The competition gets more intense, criticism can get really big and where you want to go into a hole and hide because you have more notoriety and you have more things to lose. And as we’ll talk about, lack of follow through can really be troublesome because you’ve gotten successful and big, how do you get all these projects done at once? So I think we’re going to have a lot of fun and I think we’ll create a lot of value no matter where you are in your entrepreneurial journey. 

Amy: Perfect. Something for everyone for sure. OK. So let’s just into it. Let’s go with the first one. How do you deal with competition? 

Marie: So competition is an amazing thing. I actually think it can fuel you and it can drive you to kick butt even more. And I think it’s a trait that can and should be developed. For me, it’s really like healthy peer pressure, Amy. And I think about when I’ve taken fitness classes which I still do or yoga class, oftentimes and I know you’re not supposed to compete, I know you’re supposed to keep your focus on your own mat and all that stuff. 

But for me if I’m honest, having other people around me pushes me to compete at a higher level. 

Amy: Yes. 

Marie: It pushes me to strive for more. Again, you can call that an ego thing or say, “Oh, that’s not very spiritual.” But if I look at my results, they’re always better when I have someone else around and oftentimes, it’s even the teacher giving me an adjustment or taking my hand it reaching it even further. And I think that we can look through that framework of competition and see how it can be a really healthy thing. 

Now of course, you don’t want to hurt yourself and you don’t want to like hate your competitors but on a personal level, you want to love your colleagues and all that but within the framework of business and competition, I think it’s awesome and I think where we often go wrong is we demonize it. We think, “Oh, I should be so kumbaya and lovey-lovey.” I will tell you Amy, for me, I want to be the best. 

Amy: Yes. 

Marie: And I have no problem saying that. I’m like I want to be number one. And when I think about that, it drives me to innovate more. It drives me to be more creative. It drives me to be more caring. I feel like it pulls the very best out of me. Now, where I feel like competition can get destructive and this is often where if you’re just starting out, this is something I think people can be a little bit more vulnerable too is if you start spiraling down into what I call the comparison hangover. 

Amy: That I’ve been there. So talk about that a little bit. 

Marie: I don’t know anyone who has not been there. 

Amy: So true. 

Marie: So that’s when you know what you do. You go and you start looking at someone else’s stuff. You watch their videos. You look at some piece of press they got. You’re on their Twitter stream. You’re on their Facebook page. You look at their books. And literally you’re like, “I’ll never get there.” Or, “They’re kicking my ass right now.” And you literally feel emotionally hangover. It’s like you’ve had too many margaritas and you’re taken out of the game. So that’s what comparison hangover is. It’s when you don’t really use the knowledge of the competitive landscape to inspire you or drive you forward but you use it to take yourself out of the game and you just feel like crap. 

So I think there is a fine line and all of us know it because I think most of us have experienced both sides of that coin where we get fired up to do our best work. And we’ve also experienced the other side where we just get sucked out and taken out and we feel like we need to sleep for three days. So it’s up to us to pay attention to the inner signals and to know what’s happening and to really look through that lens of how can I allow this to fire me up and drive me to produce my best work? That’s where it’s really healthy. 

Amy:  Oh, I totally agree. One thing that I learned when I was working with Tony Robbins was that you always want to surround yourself with people that are actually more successful than you so you can strive to do even better. So for me, competition has never been a really big issue because I’m always around people that are making more money or making a bigger impact than me at that moment. So I’m always looking to what are they doing? Find their strategies. Model what works best. 

So if you look at it through that lens, sometimes it’s a little easier if you get into that comparison game, you could pull yourself out right away. 

Marie: Absolutely. 

Amy: But also, I have a good friend that always says every time – I used to do this in the past, you know because we’ve been friends for so long. I did this more in the past than I do now but I would compare myself. I would do exactly what you said. Look at their website, their Facebook page, how many fans they have, all that crazy stuff and think, “Oh my gosh, I’ll never get there.” And he always says, “If you’re going to compare yourself, compare yourself to exactly where they were in your life right now.” 

I’m looking at people that have been doing it for ten years and think, “Why am I not there?” 

Marie: Yes! 

Amy: And it’s just so unfair to myself. So you can relate, right? You could see that happening sometimes. 

Marie:  It happens all the time. And I see people do this and of course, they do it a lot like with Marie TV. They’ll be like, “Oh, I can’t make videos like you.” I’m like, “Hello! Have you seen my first videos? They’re like a webcam.” And by the way, I have no problem making webcam videos right now. It’s just that we have a certain structure set up so that I can actually get them done. 

Amy: Yup. 

Marie: That’s a little bit different. But you’re a hundred percent  right.  You  can’t compare where you are specially if you’re just beginning your journey whether it’s as an entrepreneur, as a writer, as an artist, as a musician, whatever it is, to someone who has been in the game and in the trenches for 5, 10, 15, 20, 30 years. 

Amy: Yes. 

Marie: I’ve even got myself caught up in that one so very, very important point. I’m so happy you brought that up. 

Amy: Yeah, you got to be realistic with that one. OK. Good. So competition can be really healthy and I think we’ve learned a few tips here to make it actually work in your favor versus against you as you’re moving up in your business. So let’s just to the next one and this is another one I’ve struggled with, how do you deal with criticism in your business? Because I know we’ve all had this experience. 

Marie: Oh yeah. This is a big one. And I have to say Amy, I’ve gone through a few different iterations on this one and I’m really happy with the evolution of where I’m at right now. So here’s the thing. If criticism shows up on your doorstep like on your blog or your Facebook page or at an event, I really believe you should deal with it head on. A lot of times critics just want to be heard so if you acknowledge them and their point of view and you tell them that you respect where they’re coming from and if you find 

a way or find any point in their criticism that you agree with and voice that, it’s amazing. 

Amy: I love this. 

Marie: You completely disarm them. You open up a dialogue. And again, oftentimes, many people just want to be heard. So the less you resist or argue back and the more you say, “You know what? I can really see where you’re coming from,” or “I completely agree with you on that point,” both of you may actually wind up learning something. And I’ve been doing this a lot lately especially on the blog and sometimes on Twitter and on social media. 

Again, I’m not talking about those really tasteless, crude, sometimes very sexually offensive YouTube comments or like, “Hey …” I’m not talking about that. I’m talking about the criticism where someone is either legitimately upset or they just legitimately don’t agree with your point of view. And I think that’s how the best ideas get shared. Again, we’re not talking about people that are just hating for negativity and it’s toxic and it has no basis, no reality, there’s no point of view there. 

Amy: Yes. 

Marie: But I think there’s a great saying that I always love to remember and I think it’s important for all of us, “All human communication is either a loving response or a cry for help.” 

Amy: That’s tweetable. That’s good stuff. 

Marie: Yes. I didn’t make it up. It’s something that I remember learning. I forget exactly where I read it but it really, really helps me and it’s actually an incredible useful tool for customer service to remember that all human communication is either a loving response or a cry for help. And when there is a cry for help, which is often what criticism is or what feels like criticism from our point of view, showing respect and acknowledging someone else’s point of view can really help. 

And then you’re also going to realize too that constructive criticism can make you better. If you don’t shy away from it, if you don’t just delete it, you can actually use it just like competition to raise your game. I think all great growth comes out of feedback and yes, sometimes that feedback stings but as an entrepreneur and as an adult, you’ve got to learn how to manage it. 

Now of course when criticism is truly baseless like we’ve talked about, those like freakish comments that can be on YouTube, this is something else that’s really important to remember and I want people to write this down. If someone is  like attacking your appearance or just something that again, has no basis and truth, take a real close look at the person who is criticizing and take a look, what have they created in their life or in their business? Because I’ve got to say, I have never seen anyone that is hugely inspiring, a great creator, a leader, I’ve never seen any of those people hatefully critique someone especially online. 

Amy: So true. Marie: Right? Amy: Yes. 

Marie: I mean most hardcore haters and critiques are creative cowards. They stand in the sidelines of life. And the worst they hate, if you really break it down and think about it, the more pain they’re in because people that are not in pain don’t behave like that. And they’re probably just thwarting out, out of their own – the shadows of their thwarted potential. So just remember that. 

Really take a look at who is critiquing you. Are they your ideal customer? Are they anyone you even care to respect or acknowledge to a certain degree? Because really, I’ve never seen anyone I admire spew negative toxic energy at a fellow creator. Again, I’ve seen people who’ve had profoundly different opinions and they have spirited debates but usually it is in that spirit of a healthy debate and not negative hate. 

Amy: Oh, this is so good. I always think, consider the source. And if you consider the source and where it’s coming from, right away you’ll know if it’s something that maybe you should pay attention to and really put down your defenses and listen or if it’s something that you don’t even need to worry about because this is not a person you’d ever want to associate with in the first place. 

Marie: Right. 

Amy: So, so true. And another thing, my mom always taught me from a really young age to kill them with kindness. 

Marie: Yes. 

Amy: And when I go about anything and I’m so sensitive and I have to work on that. When I see someone attacking me or being really upset about something, if I think in my head, “Kill them with kindness,” I’m almost forced to find something in that email that’s truthful or it makes sense or something for me to consider and going at it in a compassionate way, putting all my defenses down, and it almost works every single time. 

Marie: Yeah. I mean we have jokes about this even in our team because we love killing people with kindness and we love showering them with love. 

Amy: That’s my favorite thing to do. 

Marie: It really is because if I think about it as a consumer, there has been times and I really try not to do this but there has been times when I’ve been really upset or maybe I’ve had a bad day and some things spurted out of my mouth that I wish I could take back. So I think having that more compassionate you, respecting people that have criticism or respecting people that speak out and looking to see how you can make it right or how you can make them feel heard is a really beautiful way to approach this world. 

And I also think too, having a certain sense of spiritual compassion even if you don’t want to engage with some of the crazies that it’s not always a smart idea to engage with, sending them some love, knowing that they’re probably in a lot of pain is also a really good thing rather than energetically reaching back into the screen or you know what I mean, having some kind of reaction that again, is not going to serve anybody. 

Amy: Completely, completely agree with you. And when you come at it, if they come at you upset and you go back to them upset, they’re not going to hear a word you say. 

Marie: Right. 

Amy: So if you really want to be heard, kill them with kindness and it goes a long way. So such great points there. I appreciate you sharing all of that. I think all of us can learn something from it. So I appreciate it.

OK. Let’s jump into the last one and this is a big one, how do you deal with lack of follow through?

Marie: OK. This is big and this is probably one of the most important lessons that I’ve ever learned. I got it from a friend of mine, one of my favorite authors of all, a guy named Steven Pressfield, and he wrote what is my favorite, it’s called The War of Art. And subsequently, he wrote a book about this concept and it’s a  concept  called Turning Pro. 

So when you’re thinking about follow through, you’re thinking about the fact that you got a million things on your list, all these ambitious projects that you want to push through, all these things that you want to do every day and reaching out and writing blogs or podcasts or videos or all these stuff and it never seems to happen, you’ve got to ask yourself, “Are you operating like an amateur or a pro?” Simple question. The answer is profound and it will change everything. Are you operating like an amateur or a pro? 

And again, I couldn’t recommend the book enough. It will absolutely change your life. But the short version is, amateurs are people who basically show up every once in a while, they flake on their commitments, they say they’re going to do something, they don’t usually take their work seriously nor do they get paid for it, they are more likely to get lost in things like addictions or drama or negativity or going to the fridge and eating constantly or getting caught up and never having anything to really do but tons of excuses why it never gets done. Those are people who are amateurs and I’m sure we’ve all know them and I’m sure we’ve all been them at times in our life. I certainly have. 

And then think about being a pro. A pro is a person who shows up no matter what, who gets results no matter what, never has a reason for why it doesn’t work, always figures out how it can work and makes it happen. A pro is a person that you can depend on. A pro is a person who takes themselves seriously. 

You know Amy, one of my favorite questions to ask and it’s something that I’m actually putting in my next book is, if you were the best in the world at what you do, how would you behave? 

Amy: That’s a good one. You got to really think about that one. 

Marie: If you were the best in the world at what you do, how would you behave? And if you don’t consider yourself the best in the world, why? It’s probably because of how you’re not behaving. So I have to say, like when you just turn pro, again, this is all 

Pressfield, you commit and you fight like hell to get things done no matter what. And I’ll give you an example. 

Last night, we were having this creative meeting that kept getting pushed off. And I’m working with some folks that are in Brooklyn, I’m in Manhattan. And after working for like 9 hours straight, I kept getting emails like, “Oh god, the guys won’t be back in the office. We need to push this back. We need to push this back.” And I’m like, “This is a really crucial meeting.” Finally, I got the email like, “Hey Marie, can you come to our offices and we’ll start the meeting at six?” Now, I don’t know about you but starting a day at 8AM in the morning and doing like a really important meeting at 6 in Brooklyn for me, not really what I wanted to do. 

Amy: Yes. 

Marie: But I sat myself down. I say, “You know what? This is vital for the business. Timing is crucial.” I wrote back and I said, “I’ll be there.” And I went. We had a great meeting and I was home by 8:30 and having a date night. But you got to ask yourself, “How many times do you let something else sweep in and just take your to-do list off of your priority list?” You know what I mean? Someone else happened, a call comes, this, that, or the other thing. And it’s just you never going to get anything done. 

So I have one more quick story and it’s another personal one. I was recently talking to a friend of mine who was excited about starting to publish his own videos. And he started filming these videos and doing all the post production and he put out two and then he dropped off the map. And I remember asking him going, “What’s going on with you?” He’s like, “Oh, I’ve got this music issues.” I’m like, “What are you talking about?” 

He’s like, “Oh well, the folks that are doing my production, they’re using a song that it’s copyrighted. We can’t really use that.” I’m like, “That’s why you’re not publishing?” I’m like, “What are you crazy?” I’m like, “You can go online and for like 99 or 100 bucks, you can buy a song that you can completely use. You know what I mean? It’s totally for exact purposes that you’re talking about. But you’re letting someone else’s inadequacies take your game off the track?” 

Amy: Good stuff. 

Marie: I’m like, “You’re freaking nuts. Really.” And so, I wanted to really shake him and go, “Dude, buy other music right at this moment and put your next freaking video 

out.” But it all comes down to that. If it’s lack of follow-through, I can pretty much guarantee, if you’re having trouble following through, you’re operating as an amateur and not a pro. 

Amy: OK. This is such good stuff. This is truly how I turned my business around when I first started working with Marie. She taught me this concept or this way of being and it kind of shook my whole world and I really started to see things differently. But let me ask you something because a lot of people that are my students with what I teach get stuck in perfectionism. And they believe that that is what’s keeping them back. What’s the difference between being a perfectionist versus being a pro? 

Marie: A pro is someone who produces no matter what. So I like to build a little bit of social accountability in there. And let me give you an example. Like with Marie TV, years ago now, over three years ago, we committed that every Tuesday come hell or high water, we’re publishing. If something happened and one of the videos went to shit which that stuff happens. 

Amy: Yeah. 

Marie:  Like I would create a blog post. I would create a video on my webcam. I would do whatever it takes. I’ve told my team basically, “If you guys – if you don’t get a video or something, some kind of communication for me on Tuesday, you could probably bet I’m dead. That’s basically what happens.” 

So speaking to what you’re talking about with perfectionism versus going pro, it’s a great question. I think it harks back to something we talked about earlier. You have to put things out into the world and you have to – most of us have a vision that’s beyond our current capabilities right now. 

Meaning, we have this idea of who we want to become, how we want our products to look, how we want our message to be received but oftentimes, when we’re first starting out, we don’t have the experience, we don’t have the capital, we don’t have the resources, we don’t have the team members to make that vision fully come to life. 

Does that mean you shouldn’t do anything? No, because the only way to get to that place is just start producing work right now. 

So I would encourage anyone who struggles with perfectionism to take whatever you are doing, what is the most essential piece to get the thing out? So if it’s a video, focus 

on the content of the video. Is the content tight? Are you delivering value? Have you set it succinctly? Does it resonate? Who cares about the bells and whistles? Who cares about the graphics and music? And I know this is coming from the girl who cares a lot about production. 

Amy: Right. 

Marie: But I will tell you, that’s the only way that I got things going was to get it started. And then everything is going to be an iteration. I know in some of my products, Amy, like something which I think we’ll talk about which is B-School, I had to get that thing out. And five years ago, it was not what it is today. 

Amy: Yes. 

Marie: But if I never got it out, it wasn’t perfect when it started. There were a lot of flaws. We did the best that we could of course. We put every effort in. We tried to handle everything. But you just can’t know what you don’t know until you get it out, if that makes sense. 

Amy: Oh, it makes perfect sense. I always tell people, you’ve got to get it out and actually get people engaging with it and get the feedback and tweak as you go. So I’m so glad you brought that up because B-School is a perfect example. I was there the day it came out and I’ve been a huge fan ever since. And that’s such a great segue and I know you didn’t even mean to do it. Let’s talk about B-School. It is ultimately my favorite program out there. Tell people about it and then we’ve got a little extra I want to tell them about it as well. 

Marie: Sure. So B-School is something I created years ago. It’s an online school for modern entrepreneurs and it really was born out of my own frustration. I had gone to a lot of internet marketing conferences and I’d gone to all these seminars. And at that time, I didn’t resonate with a lot of what was being taught on the stages. I love the strategies but I didn’t really like the delivery and I felt like there was a lot lacking when it came to the soul and the humanity of business and the actual compassion and care that I feel that we should be delivering to our customers. 

And then when it came to design and actual user experience, I felt like everybody was missing the mark and that I could do so much better quite honestly. And so, B-School was born out of my own desire to be able to share what I feel are incredible principles and ideas that help any business owner connect more authentically and get their 

products and their services in the hands of people that they are really meant to serve and to do an extraordinary job doing it. 

And so, when we first started the program, it was what it was. And over the past five years, it has grown into this deep, comprehensive, soup to nuts program that changes people’s lives. It doesn’t just teach them how to get more customers and get their message out there effectively. But really teaches them how to transform and create a life that’s custom-tailored to them. 

Amy: Oh for sure. The foundation of my business was built on working with Marie when she had her mastermind and then everything I’ve learned in B-School. And what I love about B-School and I tell people this all the time, it’s literally your one-stop shop for either building a business or taking your business to an entirely new level, new experience based on the strategies and tips and techniques that you learn in the program. Like it is all there. To me, there’s nothing more comprehensive out there. 

So I know I could gush about it forever but I got to say, you’ve done such a great job. I thought it was great five years ago but it kind of blows my mind these days. So, really great program. 

Marie: Thank you. 

Amy: Now, before we even jump there because I know at the time of this recording, doors aren’t even open to B-School but what is open is you have this amazing three- part video series, totally free. I’d love for you to tell people about it. 

Marie: Oh, absolutely. So I have unique way of delivering information and one of my desires always is to put out incredible free information so people can get to know if they even vibe with me or if they find me so incredible annoying they never want to hear from me again, which is fine. 

But if you haven’t been turned off yet and you do want to learn some things, what’s great about this video series, the first one teaches the six pillars of growing your online business. Really, the core sixe things that you should focus on, again, no matter what stage you’re at. 

If you’re starting out and you’re trying to figure out how to do it right and you’re just totally overwhelmed because there are so much information out there or if you’re more experienced and you’re not quite hitting the levels that you want to hit yet, I 

could almost guarantee, one of these six pillars is a little bit weak for you and you just got to put in some time and energy and turn that thing up. So that’s what the first video is about. 

The second video is all about 13 keys to killing it online. They’re really the timeless principles that in this new digital age how to communicate, how to connect, and how to really serve people at a level that’s in alignment with who you are as a human being. So you’re humanity comes through. It’s not about flashy, shiny tactics or the newest social media thing. It’s really about the underpinnings of what’s going to make you a true leader in your business and what’s going to make you proud to put out every single piece of content, every product, or every service that you offer. 

And then the last video is really about tackling I think some of the mindset things that all of us can’t stand. The things that hold us back, the fears, the criticisms, some of the stuff that we talked about today that quite frankly keeps us small. And then of course, we share some stories with some people that have gone through the program to hear about their results. 

Amy: Now, those case studies that you showed, they’re really magical and I rarely use that word but it’s really true because I can see myself in so many of those different stories and relate to them. I think it’s called Live Your Dream Campaign, right? 

Marie: Yes. 

Amy: And there are a lot of them. How many different stories do you have about people that have seen the success and followed their passion? 

Marie: I am so proud of this, Amy. At this time, there is over 40. 

Amy: Wow! 

Marie: I know. It’s really, really beautiful. And the reason that we created the Live Your Dream Campaign in all honesty was because I get so tired when I’m out in social situations and I’m sure people listening at this can relate, when I’ve seen people wanting to go for a dream whether it’s writing a book or starting a  business  or changing their life in some profound way and then everyone around them says, “You can’t do that. 

You’re not going to do that. Who do you think you are?” And I hate that. That fires me up and I’m like, I want to show as many stories because people can listen to you and I Amy and go, “Oh well, they are charismatic or they make up these things about you and I that make us different from them.” 

Amy: Yes. 

Marie:  And I’m like, “No, no, no. Whatever you admire or resonate with Amy or myself or anyone else that you may follow, you have that same capability in you that’s recognizing it right now.” So I wanted to show stories of people from every different background, every different age, every different industry, and show how  they’re creating a business and life that they love on their terms. 

It doesn’t look like mine. It doesn’t look like yours, Amy. It’s unique to them. And I think the more examples that we have of people that are doing it, different people, again, all different ages, all different backgrounds, the more we can support each other to rise up and to do the things that we’re meant to do in the world and to earn a great living from it. 

Amy: Really inspiring. These stories are fantastic. I can’t wait to check out the new ones that you’ve added. And if you want to get access to this three-part video series and look at all these great case study stories that Marie has created, just go to and it will get you right where you need to be. 

So Marie, I cannot thank you enough. This has been so fantastic. Again, my only repeat visitor so far and I’m honored to have you on the show again. Thanks so much for your time. 

Marie: Oh, thank you for having me on. And hopefully, everyone have fun today. 

Amy: Yes, definitely. And I’ll talk to you soon. Take care. 

So there you have it. We all experienced mindset pitfalls. It’s just part of being human. The real truth lies in how you deal with them. My hope is that this conversation with Marie today will help you be more well-equipped and kind to yourself the next time one of these pitfalls sneaks up on you. 

And don’t forget to check out the show notes for all the links that we talked about today. You can access them at, just the number 24. And if 

you’re interested in learning more about the program that sincerely helped me start my online business and moved me towards success faster than I ever could have imagined, definitely check out Marie’s signature program, B-School. You can learn more about B-School at It’s worth checking out for sure so I hope you take a look. 

So until next time, make it a great week. 

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